Interview with Lorna Levy: The Law of Attraction Teacher…
…Find Out What Toilet Paper Has to Do With Prosperity!
June 14, 2016
I am here today with Lorna Levy. Lorna has been teaching the Law of Attraction for over 10 years; she has been studying it for over 30 years and feels that she has now mastered it. She can be reached at Lorna (at) AdvancedLOA.com. She has a free gift for those who read this interview (it’s in the interview itself–read on :))
Cate: Hi Lorna–thanks for joining me today! I’ll just hop right in with the questions–I know we’re both pretty busy! Most people have an idea of what the Law of Attraction (LOA) is, but how would you describe or define it?
Lorna: Thanks for having me. Let’s get to it 🙂 That’s a good question, and it’s important to ask because before you start working with something you really have to know what it is you’re trying to do. LOA is a law of the universe that says your thoughts create your reality. So it’s not just your good thoughts. It’s not just your happy thoughts. It’s all of your thoughts create all of your reality. Everything that you are experiencing in your life, everything you’ve ever experienced–your poverty or wealth, your sickness or health, the circumstances of your family–you know, whether you get along or whether you love each other or whether you were abused–we create everything. And it’s most important to me to get across that we’re creating the unwanted stuff also, and mostly we’re doing that unconsciously. So that’s why it’s important to know and understand LOA and how it works- so you know how to change. So you know how to change your thoughts consciously and change your life. And it’s really not too complicated.
Cate: Right. It seems like a lot of spiritual truths are not complicated, but they can be hard to implement–or I would have done it a long time ago 🙂
Lorna: They are incredibly hard, and for a couple of reasons: #1. We’re never taught what they are–you know, at least as children, we’re not taught what they are. So as adults when we start floundering around trying to “be spiritual”, we’re exploring all different paths, and we don’t know which one is going take us where we want go. So we end up with a hodgepodge of information.
Cate: Sounds right…
Lorna: #2. I think our culture, our society, I want to say is designed to pull us back to the–oh what’s that expression–to “every day unhappiness.” I think Sigmund Freud said that. Or “lives of quiet desperation” –Henry Thoreau used that expression. But I think our culture–when you look at the media–the media only tells us everything wrong, everything that’s bad. You know all the commercials are about if you don’t take this medicine you’re going to die, you know?
Cate: Indeed 🙂
Lorna: Nine out of ten people have this, and if you don’t have it, you’re going have it soon
Cate: And all the side effects they list for the medications! Yikes!
Lorna: Yeah! It’s just all about doom and gloom, and nobody is really encouraging empowerment or joy or light or love– except you with your web-site. And there are a few others, but there aren’t nearly enough because that’s how we learn to be the kind of people we want to be instead of being the kind of people that we usually are– which is sick, depressed, complaining. You know, the usual people 🙂
Cate: Right. I also think the media, and just the world in general, tends to pull you back to what would really be the effects vs the cause. They’re always looking at how to fix things externally vs internally.
Lorna: Right, because if they were to tell you that you are at cause, that you can control things and create new situations, then you have no reason to pay them. And they want to get paid. So they don’t have an incentive to empower you. But that’s why we flounder when we start trying to use these teachings.
Cate:–Right, and I don’t think we really believe it, necessarily… deep down.
Lorna:-Right.
Cate:–We’re hoping it’s true but…
Lorna: I think that’s true too.
Cate: It’s not a part of our belief system.
Lorna: And because there are so many people teaching LOA who haven’t really studied it.
Cate: True.
Lorna: Some people, I like to say, woke up yesterday and decided they were going to be a LOA teacher, and, you know, they don’t really have a clue. I hear all kinds of craziness. So that’s another reason.
Cate: One idea you’re familiar with, if you’ve studied LOA, is the idea of vibrations….could you explain how the LOA is about the vibrations or the vibe maybe more so than the thoughts?
Lorna: Sure. LOA reacts to your thoughts, but it reacts to….think of yourself–let me see-let me think of a good example. You know how water can be either ice, or it can be steam? But it’s all the same thing.
Cate: Right.
Lorna: It’s the same thing in different states. So you look at yourself and you consider that you’re a solid physical being, but you’re also an energetic being. And that’s the part that we forget about. We have an energy cloud around us that’s often called the aura. A lot of people know the aura. You know it has colors in it, and the colors indicate your mood and your feeling and things. But your aura also carries your emotions, and it reaches out from you in infinite directions. It reaches out all around you. So everything that you have deeply thought or deeply believed or deeply expected is held in your aura. And this energy body acts like a magnet to draw more things to it that are like the things already in it. This is actually a principle in quantum physics. I believe LOA is a quantum science that we’re just starting to understand because we’re really just starting to get a handle on quantum physics. But LOA is a way that we are entangled with the universe. We are one with the universe, and the universe responds to us, and we respond to it. It’s a dance that we do.
Cate: I like that description–a dance.
Lorna: Does that make sense? Is that clear?
Cate: Yeah, that makes sense! One question though. If you have something negative in this field, a negative vibration, how do you change that? Especially if you’re not consciously aware of it?
Lorna: You can’t change what you’re not consciously aware of….so first you have to be aware of what you’re thinking. Let me think of a simple example. Say I want a new job and I’m saying, they’ll never hire somebody like me. I’m not educated enough. I’m not young enough. So if I’m paying attention to myself, I might hear those beliefs, you know, or a friend might reflect them back to me. She might say, “You know you really don’t believe you’re good enough, so how do you think anybody else is going to believe you’re good enough?” Sometimes our friends reflect them back; sometimes we become aware of our thoughts. But when we don’t become aware of our thoughts, and a lot of time we’re not, we just say, I’m a victim, and bad things happen to me.
When you’re looking at the experiences that you’re having, ask yourself, what would I have to be believing to create this kind of experience? And that will tell you what you believe.
Cate: So you may not be aware that you believe it, but if you see this thing happening to you all the time, you can figure out the beliefs behind it.
Lorna: Yeah, right!
Cate: I have two problem areas that come to mind.
Lorna: Yeah we all do. Do you want to talk about what yours are? What you keep creating?
Cate: Sure. My problem areas seem to revolve around money and weight. I fluctuate with my weight a fair amount, but I never seem to stay at the weight that I want to be. The same with money-even when we have more money, we never seem to clear all the debt. That kind of thing.
Lorna: Let’s take the weight thing for a minute. Without going too deeply into it, I will tell you the media tells you that over a certain age, you can’t lose weight. They make a big deal over how you need help, how you’re totally out of control, how you’ll never look like–first of all for the media, you’ll never look good. So if you’re listening to the media–you know, TV, newspapers and magazines- you will never be happy with the way you look.
Cate: True.
Lorna: Because you always need a new kind of makeup, you always need a new kind of deodorant, a different toothpaste, and you have to eat that yogurt, whatever. So the first thing is–stop listening to those messages. Stop listening to those messages that are telling you, you can’t do this. The second thing is, start telling yourself that your body knows how to come into balance, your body knows how to keep itself in equilibrium, how to be healthy, how to stay vital, how to be energetic. Your body knows this. It does this all the time without your intervention. So start telling yourself that you are guiding your body intentionally to its optimal performance weight, and everything you do is taking you to your optimal weight, or your best weight or whichever way you want to say it.
Cate: Right.
Lorna: Your happiest weight–that sounds good–you know the weight where you’re the happiest. So everything you eat, every step you take, everything you do, every breath you take, is taking your body to your happiest weight. And it’s happening easily and effortlessly. And if you keep telling yourself that, you’ll get there.
Cate: Okay, sounds good.
Lorna: You’ll stop paying attention to the media that says you can’t, and you will!
Cate: I have tried affirmations of a sort. Something kind of like what you’re saying where when I eat, I have the thought that my body takes whatever I am eating and turns it into slim, fit, healthy and happy cells. But I find that I just seem to eat too much–it’s like a compulsion.
Lorna: It might not be the case that you eat too much. It might be that you’re just programmed to think you should be fat because you’re a certain age and female.
Cate: Right –so then my body accommodates by having me eat too much 🙂
Lorna: You know there are a lot of people, like my -ex husband for one–he could eat a cow every day and still be as skinny as my little finger. You know he just had a fast metabolism. I believe we can speed up our metabolisms just by talking to ourselves.
Cate: I agree with you! I just need to make it happen 🙂
Lorna: You mentioned affirmations. Let’s talk a little bit about why affirmations don’t work. In my opinion–and I know you didn’t really ask for coaching- but if I were doing it, I would really not do affirmations while I’m eating because that’s sort of a contradictory energy. We tend to be programmed to believe that everything we eat is wrong. If you’re eating–whatever you’re eating even if it’s the healthiest thing–you’re thinking, oh I’m eating too much, or it has too much oil…
Cate: It’s not organic.
Lorna: Yeah! Always something wrong. You’re deep in that mindset while you’re eating. While you’re eating, just eat. Say this is what I want, I’m going to eat it. But when you’re not caught up in that negative mindset, you know when you’re doing whatever– you’re walking, sitting in front of the computer– remind yourself, my body knows how to bring itself to my best weight. And that way you don’t have that negative energy, you know. You’re not putting food in your mouth at the same time, so you don’t have that contradictory energy, so your body can hear that message a little bit more clearly, you see?
Cate: Yes, thanks.
Lorna: So you want to say that before you go to bed, when you’re doing anything other than eating. Just remind yourself. And as you remind yourself, you want to have the feeling of relief, the feeling of ease, the feeling of contentment and certainty. So that’s why affirmations don’t work. Affirmations very often are just words that we say, and we don’t believe them, and we don’t feel the energy of them, so we say these words like they’re some magic formula. Or like they’re a spell but without the energy of the feeling behind the words, they don’t have an impact.
Cate: That makes sense.
Lorna: You have to have the feeling of confidence in your body: Yes my body does know how to bring me to my right weight. I mean my body knows how to breathe without me thinking about it. I can walk without thinking about it, you know. I digest my food without thinking about it. I know my body can do this too. You want to create a feeling of confidence in yourself.
Cate: What you’re saying sounds similar to a word I’ve seen used in LOA circles–allowing. It sounds like you’re saying to remind yourself to allow whatever you’re desiring. What is allowing? How does it work, and what are some tools for allowing?
Lorna: Yeah to remind yourself to allow it to happen and to not push against it when you’re eating. So don’t get caught up in, it’s not organic, or it might be GMO, it might be this, it might have sugar in it. Eat what you enjoy, savor it, and say, I am enjoying this so much, I know it’s going be good for me. Whatever it is.
Cate: Right.
Lorna: And just have that attitude. And you have to totally turn off the media in your head–I mean you might watch it, but if you’re watching the media, remind yourself, these are their beliefs, this is not necessarily the truth. You can create your own truth.
So allowing…allowing is a word that encompasses a whole lot, and it basically encompasses everything negative that might be happening. So say you start eating this way, and you start trying to think this way, and you get on the scale and it’s gone up two pounds and you go “Oh Crap, this isn’t working!” Allowing would be to say, I’m coming into balance, I know my body fluctuates, I might’ve drunk an extra glass of water. Allowing is to take whatever’s happening in stride–don’t consider it reality because there is no objective reality. Reality is only what you make it. So just take it in stride and say, I know my body knows what to do, I know I can do this. It doesn’t matter what the scale says, I know this is working for me, I trust this process. That’s allowing.
Cate: This sounds like the Biblical expression “Resist not evil.” I’ve always liked that verse.
Lorna: Yeah, that’s exactly what it is.
*Cate: Don’t resist.
Lorna: Exactly.
Cate: Okay. This next question is something I discuss some on my web-site…How does observing what we don’t like actually bring more of what we don’t want? One of the purposes of my site is to help people focus on what is good, and I discuss how this focus can actually help bring good into existence. So what do you think–how does observing what you don’t like bring more of that to your experience?
Lorna: As I discussed before–our energy field, our aura is a magnet. So if you’re thinking of what you don’t like: everybody hates me, everybody picks on me, bad things always happen to me, I’m such a victim, I never have any money, you know, I’m always in the wrong place at the wrong time…you’re going create that. So that’s how it happens–we create that. If you have that belief–that deep-seated belief-you create that. You make that happen because our thoughts influence everything around us. So when you start looking at positive things, you know, you might say, well I do have some choice about that. Maybe I was driving down the street, and I swerved and just missed a car that was coming at me. So then I can say, well maybe I’m not such a victim. That’s an accident that didn’t happen. Maybe I do have some choice. I don’t want to be in an accident; I want a comfortable trip when I get in my car. I want to feel safe when I’m in my car. So if I start to affirm those things–if I affirm, I’m a safe driver and I’m surrounded by safe drivers, and I always have a pleasant experience when I’m driving, I will start to have more of that. I will start to look for those safe drivers. I will see them. I won’t notice the crazy ones. I’ll start to see more and more courteous drivers. I’ll be courteous because I’m deciding I want to be that kind of driver, that kind of person. And then it kind of just carries over into the rest of your life. And you realize you do have control.
Cate: Right. I agree with you, but I will say, I believe there’s a balance, maybe, in deciding how much to focus on specific actions versus just minding our perspective about a situation. Is it more important to address my thinking about it? As far as changing world issues?
Lorna: People into LOA–and I also follow a spiritual practice known as Science of Mind, or Religious Science, that’s very, very similar…we believe our thoughts create everything. So being at effect, you know running around trying to fix the effect, that doesn’t really change anything. There will always be someone, somewhere, somehow, that slips through the cracks. What stops people is allowing. We go back to that. Allowing is letting people different from you be different. Who cares what they’re doing, you know? It’s not your business. Your only business is your life. When you realize your free will is all–I was going to say in your head, but that’s not what I mean. Your free will is totally determined by your consciousness, by your decision, by your choices, and by the way you think. So you have absolute free will over yourself and over what happens to yourself. So then it doesn’t matter what anybody else is doing because they can’t touch you.
Allowing is I don’t care what you’re doing, I’m keeping my vibe positive, I’m staying prosperous, I’m staying healthy…speaking of healthy, I was in a situation where somebody was sneezing all over me. Half the time I was thinking I’m gonna die-–this was a person directly behind me on an airplane, so I couldn’t just get up and leave. I’m gonna die, this person’s gonna kill me with all these g_dd_mn sneezes. But then I just started affirming I’m always healthy. Health is my only state. It’s the only state I know. It’s the only state I recognize. I am always healthy, so this person can sneeze all over me, I don’t care. Then I started affirming–clearly he’s got an allergy and not a cold, so he’s not blowing germs out. I was just saying whatever I needed to say to feel safe in that situation since I couldn’t get off the airplane. And I stayed healthy, I didn’t catch anything.
Cate: Nice!
Lorna: So whatever somebody is doing–and it doesn’t matter how close they are to you or how upset you are about it, it really cannot touch you unless you let it. So there’s no reason to–Abraham uses the term push against. So there’s no reason to push against it. You just affirm what you want.
Cate: That makes sense. That’s kind of how I operate, I think. My daughter is more into social activism, and when we’re discussing events, I’m often thinking, Just don’t worry about it. 🙂
Lorna: How old is your daughter?
Cate: She’s 18.
Lorna: There’s an age group–and I probably felt the same way when I was a young adult–where you want to fix everything. You wake up from your childhood and you realize this isn’t quite paradise, and there are a lot of things going wrong. So at 18 you know everything 🙂 and so yeah, just do this this and this and it’ll fix all the problems and it’ll be fine. It’s only when you get older that you realize people who are determined to do stuff, will do stuff. There’s a way–always.
Cate: I agree. We can’t control the whole world. A saying I have always liked is, Think globally, act locally. It’s a good way to deal with events and the “bigness” of the world and its seeming problems.
The last question I have for you is this: I know you have several books on Amazon (see list below), but do you have anything new coming out or any services that you would like readers of this interview to know about?
Lorna: Well, I do personal coaching on LOA, so if there’s anything you really want that’s not coming to you…get on my email list, get my free gift. That’s at advancedloa.com/Beach. It’s the most effective LOA method ever. When you go to that page you’ll see a picture of a beach. It’s beautiful. I love it. When you get on my list then you have my email address, and you can easily get in touch with me. I have group coaching classes. I do one-on-one coaching. And I’ve just created a course that will be launching –probably before you transcribe this–called “Where’s My Stuff?”
I called it “Where’s My Stuff?” because that’s almost the first thing people say to me when I tell people I teach LOA. People will say, I do affirmations until I’m blue in the face; where’s my stuff? I’m a positive person, and my stuff’s not coming to me, and where’s my stuff? This course tells you where’s your stuff. It tells you how to ask for your stuff. It tells you what the language of the universe is. It tells you when to ask. It tells you when not to ask for your stuff. It teaches you the feeling mode of asking. It’s not all about words. We talk about how to make your stuff come faster. We talk about how to see signs that indicate that your stuff is coming. Your stuff can be the relationship you want. It can be the man you want or the job you want, or the car you want, or the trip to Europe that you want. Your stuff can be anything that you want. We talk about whether you should even be asking for stuff–is stuff spiritual? We talk about what to do if somebody else is getting your stuff. 🙂
It’s really a comprehensive course, and it’s a good beginner’s course in LOA because it really helps you get a handle on how this all works. It comes with a bunch of bonuses. One of the bonuses is one of my Kindle books: “The 15 Powerful Principles for Law of Attraction Success.”
“Where’s My Stuff?“ is a course that you will be able to get in a week. (Note: given the time delay in transcribing this interview, the course is actually now available!) I can give you that url next week. (*the link is to a recorded webinar that gives details of the course as well as a limited time 30% discount )
The Kindle book you get as a bonus is the very first book I wrote, and I wrote that book without meaning to write a book. I had a LOA group that met twice a month for 8 years in Philadelphia. And from time to time new people would come into the group. And I would find myself, at least in the first session or two, going over the same principles every time somebody new came into the group. So then I wrote them down in a handout, but I still had to explain every thing. So finally I just made it a Kindle book.
Cate: Good idea 🙂
Lorna: Yes, so the people know what they’re doing. Now the reason you need these powerful principles…let me tell you just two things, two wrong ideas people have about LOA. Someone said, you have to be a good person to use LOA. It only works if you’re being altruistic. Well that’s bullshit, I have to tell you 🙂 LOA is a law. It’s a law like gravity. It’s a law like electro-magnetism is a law. It works all the time. It responds to your thoughts. It doesn’t just respond to good, happy thoughts. It responds to your bad thoughts. It responds to everything. That’s what a law means. It responds all the time, impartially, no matter what.
The other thing is, a lot of people think it’s important to be positive. It’s important to be positive because being positive feels better than being negative. And when you feel good, you’re attracting good things. But LOA works with negative things also. So being positive is not a pre-req for LOA. If you’re, for instance–let me think of an example. Somebody gives you a lot of money. Say maybe you win the lottery. Say you’re making $30,000 and you win the lottery for $3,000,000.
Cate: Yay! 🙂
Lorna: Do you know that statistics show that something like 87%–87%-that’s a huge number–of all lottery winners are penniless after two years?
Cate: Yeah, I had heard that once. It’s crazy.
Lorna: Yeah-look it up. You’ll find it’s true. So the reason is, it’s not that they’re necessarily thinking negatively. But they might be. They might be thinking, Oh my God, I’ve got all this money and I don’t know what to do with it. I’ve got all this money-somebody might take it. I’ve got all this money-I might blow it. I’ve got all this money-the government might take it. Because they don’t have a vibration of abundance. They have a vibration of I can’t pay my bills, I can’t fix my car. You know, they don’t have a vibration of I’m wealthy and I just expect to have money, I’m comfortable with money, like say, Donald Trump, for instance. You know they have a vibration of every time money comes in, I lose it. That might be a big one. I think I heard somebody say something about that earlier 🙂
Cate: Yeah, wonder who that was? 😉 Ha!
Lorna: Those are more or less negative vibrations. I can’t hold onto money. I’m not the kind of person who has a lot of money. I don’t know how to act. I’m not a rich person. Whatever those people are telling themselves about this sudden windfall, they manage to make it go away. That’s negative thinking. There’s nothing positive happening there. They may have been positive enough to win, you know? But that’s a whole different thing. Winning is different from having. It’s not the same vibration. And a lot of people who are working toward winning the lottery don’t seem to realize that.
Cate: Makes sense. It’s like a nice surprise that you’re not expecting to keep.
Lorna: Exactly! You win. That’s not saying I want to be a wealthy person. It’s saying, I want to win. It’s like having a balloon go off in your face. Bam, you won. And then everything goes back to being the same.
Cate: 🙂 That’s not fun!
Lorna: So the way you change your vibration is, looking at the experiences you want to be having…let me say this, nobody wants to win the lottery…everybody wants to be wealthy. Everybody wants to be living in abundance, not worried about money. Being able to buy everything they want. And they don’t care if they win the lottery, or maybe…
Cate: Get an inheritance…
Lorna: Right, or a bag falls out of a Brinks truck, and they say you can keep it 🙂 Nobody really cares. It’s the experience that they want. So you have to look at that experience that you want–I want to feel wealthy. Here’s a quick little story. When I was very, very poor, unemployed, couldn’t find a job, was not getting unemployment, had no money at all…this was back before they invented Starbucks and the $3 coffee 🙂 I used to meet a friend for coffee at our local coffee shop. When I wanted to feel abundant, I would buy a cup of coffee for her. I’m telling you–that was a big stretch to put out that extra dollar. I was splurging to buy my own dollar cup of coffee. But I would buy her coffee for her every now and then. And I felt so rich and so abundant just by doing that, that my fortunes completely changed in a very short time. So it’s about finding the experience you want and then finding a way to have a little tiny bit of that experience, and just feeling that experience. And magnifying it in your feeling and in your imagination. That brings more of it to you.
Cate: Like planting a seed.
Lorna: Exactly-it’s like planting a seed. And you can’t dig up the seed every 10 minutes to see if it’s growing 🙂 So you plant it, and you nurture it. And you nurture it by doing more of the right things. For a seed it would be water and sunshine. For your thoughts, you know, every now and then you want to do something else that makes you feel abundant. Instead of buying the cheapest item in the store, maybe you buy the one that’s 2 cents more.
Cate: The name brand instead of the generic.
Lorna: Right the name brand instead of the generic. You don’t go out and spend your last penny on something you can’t afford. But you stretch just a tiny bit. And that stretching…you know, if you’ve been saying to yourself I can only buy generic, I can only buy the cheapest. If you stretch just a little bit, it changes your vibration. I don’t have to buy the generic; I can afford the good stuff. And you start to believe that.
I’ll tell you one of the other ways that I used to splurge. I grew up with my grandmother, and my grandmother always used Scott Tissue–toilet paper. Scott Tissue is the cheapest–the biggest roll for the least amount of money. I would go to other people’s houses, and they would have the softest toilet paper! I found out that was like Charmin or Cottonelle or something. And those are fairly expensive. I’m the kind, I stand there looking at the labels and looking at the price per sheet–they break it down that way. And they are relatively expensive. So when I really wanted to feel like I was living in luxury, I started buying Cottonelle 🙂
Cate: There you go 🙂 That would do it!
Lorna: Yeah! And every time you use it, you have an experience of luxury. So it re-enforces, I can afford the good stuff. I’m worth the good stuff, I have enough money to buy the good stuff. And then, like I said, it quickly becomes a non-issue because there’s enough money. You stop looking at the prices so much.
Cate: That’s pretty much how I shop. I used to be more of a bargain hunter, but now I just buy whatever I want…but there must be something still stuck there for me 😛 I’ll have to work on that 🙂
Lorna: Well, I do personal coaching if you want it! 🙂
Cate: That’s right, I know how to get in touch with you!
Lorna: Yeah…
Cate: Well, our time is up! It’s been a pleasure talking with you today. You’ve shared a lot of good insights and information! Everyone be sure to check out Lorna’s books below, her website (thelawofattractionteacher.com), and/or the course, “Where’s My Stuff?!” Thanks again, Lorna, for joining me!
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